What “raw data” are you looking for? It’s not like we all got to keep hard copies of this stuff individually. If it’s inconsequential and it’s not from us, the US military doesn’t exactly care. What exactly do you expect us to have?

We keep things that matter. When it comes down to “Pffft, 1mrem additional every week?” You tend to not care. It’s not like anything else could even be gleaned from the data or gained by keeping it.
We also didn’t keep them ourselves since it isn’t Naval Nuclear Power. We keep data on our own contamination. Everything else gets routed to other organizations. There are a few documents related to continued remediation surveys, but those I’d have access to would get me thrown in prison for presenting, as they’re all on my equipment, which is quite specifically confidential. I’m sure there are some on Ventilation systems and the like, but you’d likely find reasons not to believe them anyway.
We were also the source of the data, not generating the compiled reports. So even if we had reports that we, the Navy, kept, it still would have been determined by other organizations like Naval Reactors, Bettis, Department of Energy, the Japanese government and their own organizations, et cetera. When it comes to finding compiled data, you’d have just as much access to it as I would.

What I did generate myself was essentially a list of names with (paraphrasing) “Below Minimum Detectable Activity,” written next to each one. Essentially we can’t prove that they had nothing, just that there is no technology that can detect what they had. Which, we can tell if you’re wearing an iridium watch, so, it could be paraphrased as “Nothing to worry about,”

Besides, that was four years ago. Even if I had personal data, it’d be stuffed in some random unknown corner (or, rather, be on a delivery ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean as I’m currently executing a PCS, which is besides the point)
I probably have something in my medical record. Which I oddly don’t have ready access to all the time. I know what it amounts to; the same thing we had for everyone else: Nothing to worry about.

You seem to know very little about how these things happen.

Conversely, I could be asking you for proof that I’m wrong. Difference is that I know what I saw. You know assumptions based on an archaic, Climate Hating bias opinion.

No, not “Top Secret.” Confidential.
Levels go:
NOFORN (No Foreign Nationals)
Confidental
Secret
Top Secret

As in, if I let the Chinese see that stuff that we operate in our plants, I go to jail for the rest of my life.
Conversely, if I tell you about radiation levels on our flight deck, no one cares.

What word do you even have?
Is an eyewitness account not good enough for you people?
It certainly is enough to incriminate a man to be sentenced to death, but isn’t enough to prove nuclear power safe when the specific incident didn’t even kill people?

Hence why I gave you more than just Conca.
Pretty short reply for such a long comment, though. Nothing else to say about any of that?

The “banana lie.” I’m not saying that bananas are particularly harmful.
I’m saying that nuclear power is LESS harmful to the general populace. Especially in the US.

Talk to me about all of the shielding between someone living outside of a nuclear power plant and the plant itself, since you obviously know SO MUCH about it. Talk to me about all of the precautions taken by nuclear power plants, all of the considerations put into place, all of the self-imposed limits. You’re obviously the expert. Tell me about what levels are actually harmful.
Tell me about what MY limits are for working on a nuclear power plant.

I’m sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for your response.

As far as bananas are concerned.
The point is that you’re keeping a radioisotope in your home. You’re consuming it. For 16 hours (the time it takes to process that excess K-40 out of your body), you are getting an increased dose. If your body lacks potassium, it does indeed take that extra bit into your body. You will maintain homeostasis, yes, and eating an excess amount of it isn’t going to have a drastic effect…
… But when you live outside of 12 miles (horizon line) from a Nuke Plant, you might as well live a million miles away from it.
… Or if you live outside a properly shielded nuke plant, you might as well live a million miles away from it.
Or I suppose you could clean actual information from one of the few sources you trust.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium-40

It’s the reason why you’ll get a similar dose as sleeping next to someone as living within 50 miles of a nuke plant.

I suppose you’ve taken radiological surveys inside and outside of a nuclear power plant? I’ve taken plenty of them RIGHT OUTSIDE A REACTOR COMPARTMENT. (Standing Control Point Watch gets rather boring). I’ve also taken plenty of air samples. Part of our training process is to show us how little nuclear power plants actually emit. We take surveys near a critical reactor (outside of the shielded volume, of course), one when it’s shut down (not all that different levels), and outside the building itself.
Now, here’s the funny part. My initial training on operational reactors was in a valley. If you know anything about how the Earth works or natural isotopes, you’ll know what I’m about to talk about next:
It gets funny when you’re doing your training surveys and you get high counts. Your instructor looks at it for a second, has a moment of realization, and then decides to show you an example. Go outside, far away from the reactor. Same. Exact. Counts. Doesn’t matter if it’s critical, shutdown, whatever. Why?
Same reason you want to have a well insulated basement. Same reason why Colorado has a higher background radiation than most of Japan did during Fukushima. Radon. It has a much higher effect on your body than living near a nuke plant.

You’re largely discounting a lot of other factors. To assume that there is only one factor – proximity – is only one matter.
Or, let’s say you’ve actually BEEN CLOSE to a nuke plant, you’d know that land value largely drops near nuke plants. Why? Because people are afraid of it, largely. They’re unsightly.
So people who can’t afford costly land live close to them. People who similarly also have less access, financially, to proper medical care and disease prevention.

Just saying, “lol disease” isn’t going to convince anyone. “Disease” is a pretty broad term. You need to be specific.

I’m on leave, buddy, and I type quickly.

Another worthless comment, name calling without any substance from Itsnyder.. looking at the comments they just call anyone with real information a “shill” The shill gambit is a type of ad hominem and poisoning the well wherein one party dismisses the other’s arguments by proclaiming them to be on the payroll of some agency. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shill_gambit

What is your education level in regards to nuclear power? I’m rather curious. i always find that the least educated on the matter are the most vehemently opposed. Many of them even think that reactors glow green.

Bonus points if you know WHY people think reactors glow green without googling it.

The reactors don’t even glow blue. Not really. Most don’t, at least. The only ones you do see glowing blue are the ones in pools of water.

You mean the elements that wash away in the first rain and were still found in only small doses after the plume? You want to claim their toxicity? How about you give figures to support your claims, considering you complaining about it is the first time I’ve heard anyone broach the subject of toxicity in the five years since the incident.
It seems that you’ve run out of argument, even if I give you one. So, the ball’s in your court. Make your claims to the toxicity, about everything it didn’t do in the last five years, about all the people that didn’t die or get effected by it.
And then go about arguing everything I said, unless, of course, you can’t.

Keep in mind the only reason why this reactor was still operating is because of fear of reactors – few, except the French, have made great progress on civil reactors because people are too afraid to build new ones, yet don’t want to give up their precious cheap electricity, forcing the old ones to stay online.

You’re a bit late on the draw, Itsnyder, by about 5 years. You seem to be arrogant enough to think that you, with no education on the matter, can outsmart an entire organization that has been doing this since the 1950s. When you give a bunch of guys all sorts of Bachelors and Masters degrees and make it their job to do nothing but learn about this stuff, turns out they’re better than you at doing so, Itsnyder. Don’t be so arrogant.

Yes, I know what was in my lungs. Turns out the gigantic box I stood inside of could detect that crap. We even had a couple smokers in our test group. Turns out, cigarettes give you more radiation exposure than Fukushima. Who’d have thought?

“Biological half-lives,” look it up.

Turns out we’ve learned a think or two. What stays in the body, what doesn’t. How to detect what remains. How well your avioli trap caesium. Not as well as you’d think.

Haha, literal tons of radium. I don’t even need to look that up to know you’re full of it and haven’t bother to look that fact up yourself. Turns out one of us knows relative fuel loading for nuclear reactors and general makeup of fuel after years of burnout and decay.
Let’s just admit that the person not-in-the-know is you, here.

Worse, you’ve fallen into the trap of thinking you know something about the military because you watched Full Metal Jacket that one time or saw a documentary on Boot Camp and assumed the rest of the military was like that. Naval Nuclear Power is another beast entirely, to the point that we refer to ourselves as “The Nuclear Navy,” as if we were entirely separate from the rest of the Navy. Because we are, in a sense, separate. We do things very differently. More carefully, logically, and intelligently, with less restriction regarding rank and more importance upon someone simply being right rather than being higher in rank.
Do. Not. Pretend. To. Know. Things. You. Do. Not. Like anything about Naval Nuclear Power or how we respond to orders. For example: Men in my field have been given Achievement Medals for disobeying orders and physically assaulting their officers. Our oversight committees abandon their uniforms in lieu of suits and ties so that rank no longer plays a part in reporting problems – so that it becomes plain and simple. Admiral Hyman Rickover ordered his officers to never bring in Navy Blue-Jackets Manuals because he didn’t want his organization to be cut-and-dry, and he certainly didn’t want “Yes Men” who wouldn’t think about orders. His interviews with prospective officers were notorious for getting rid of that type of individual, and enforcing the types who would defy authority to do what was right.

So, Itsnyder, you’ve proven your lack of knowledge once again on the matter. I advise you to call it quits before you do so again.
Assumptions will get you nowhere. This is my playing field. I have the knowledge. I have the firsthand experience. I am quite literally the source of the facts. I am the test subject that is the proof that all you are doing is spinning lies and deceit. I am the very worst thing you could be arguing against. All you’ve got on your side is hopefullness that Google will generate a result that might trip me up. Don’t worry, I’ve been looking on Google for years on this matter to hunt out ignorant. arrogant fools like you who somehow think they can trip up experts, like a patient supposing he can outdiagnose his doctor or cure his own cancer.
So, please, put away your snake-oil, sit down, and learn something.
This is my field of expertise. I would not question how you do your job. Do not question how I do mine. You’ll lose horridly, as you already are.

I’m glad you know what was dosed with and what I saw. I suppose you performed the surveys? All you’re stating is the obvious at this point. Yes, we did get non-visible plumes of contamination, with a good portion of that being cesium. It was still too little to worry about, because, as it turns out, even old reactors were built by rather intelligent men who knew how to factor in such accidents and prevent them from getting too drastic. GE even figured out what would go wrong with the MkI BWRs at Fukushima before they happened and told TEPCO how to fix them. They did not follow these instructions.

I’ve told you the details. I was properly diagnosed with a coffin-sized radiac, and determined my internal exposure and retained contamination had been <MDA. Not just imbedded particles, but specific lungs, thyroid, et cetera. Whole body, inside and out.
There's your detail. <MDA. Less than Minimum Detectable Activity. Such small exposure that I can't even give you a true number because a true number can't be determined, and they could tell who had a potassium filled breakfast that day; that's how accurate those machines were. I had nothing considerable deposited in my body, nor did anyone else. I've said this before, but apparently you're ignoring what I'm saying.
More details: Long term surveys determined that over a month-long period, I received 4mrem additionally that I wouldn't have were it not for the Reactor Accident. I've said this before too. Considering average global dose is 1 mrem/day, the average person would have gotten roughly 30mrem in that same period. Now, keep in mind that Japan's average background for a month is only about 15mrem. Meaning, we can round my dose during the Fukushima plumes to 20mrem, which still means that even though I was being exposure to this fallout, I still had less damage done to my body than you did during that same time period in all likelihood. That's how little fallout there truly was.

This is all stuff I've said before.

Now, you need to start actually arguing and stop making yourself look like a fool, and start actually responding to my statements.

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Again, Dunning-Kruger effect. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if you said that a reactor “going critical” was a bad thing.

Small enough particulate can indeed cover that distance. I don’t need to look up a video. Fact is fact. We did surveys. We analyzed for half-life and energy. They matched Cesium. Plain. And. Simple. No arguing, Itsnyder. I don’t think you understand that fact. CO2 flows down (not straight down, but it doesn’t have a long range) out of a fire extinguisher because of thermodynamics (that CO2 is cold as hell – cold enough that you can freeze your hand to the nozzle if you use a large enough canister.) If you didn’t know, cold fluids fall. Hot fluids rise. Gas, like CO2, is a fluid. I didn’t even need my nuclear education to know that, but, apparently, you don’t even have a background in Middle School level Physics.
Small particulate, like microscopic cesium particulate and other forms of contamination, is also subject to Brownian motion; ergo, it doesn’t have to fall. Air currents, however slight, can keep it aloft. Like dust. Which is essentially what we are talking about. Except this dust was radioactive.
When that cesium was spread, it was mixed in with hot gases and steam, and thrown out violently. That means that small particulate can be thrown high in the atmosphere and travel quite far. It’s the same reason why, when Chernobyl occurred, radiation alarms were going off at Norfolk Naval base in Virginia. Let that sink in. Particulate traveled from Ukraine, around the globe, to the east coast of the US. Then remember that they had to travel over Asia, the Pacific, and the rest of the US to get there, because of how air currents flow.

Your not entirely wrong though; especially heavier/denser particulate, the more dangerous stuff, didn’t make it far; that’s why there were exclusion zones.
However, you’re pretty wrong.
I do not “have a basic misunderstanding about how fallout and hot particles are created.”
Considering I f***ing make them. I have turned quite a bit of uranium into other elements. When I stand watch, I literally control a nuclear reactor. I am not the guy that ensures feed pumps are running. I don’t control the main engines. I make power do what I want it to; I move control rods. I start it up, shut it down, and make sure it’s safe.
When the cladding of said fuel acts as the primary containment boundary. When the cladding is breached – say, during a meltdown – and the primary coolant boundary, and the reactor compartment, are all breached, these fission products may escape as fallout.
I highly doubt you knew that. And that’s not even a complicated level of nuclear knowledge.

You have a basic misunderstanding of just about everything involved in this discussion. Again, Dunning-Kruger effect playing itself out.
I have a knowledge about nuclear reactors – and that includes radiation, contamination, and their effects – that equates to having attended 5 years of an Ivy League College. You do not. You’re not going to best me. You’re not going to best the 600 nuclear operators who were in the area that all came to the same conclusions that I did. You’re not going to best the hundreds of men and women in Naval Reactors, the Department of Energy, various colleges and independent studies who all have degrees on this sort of thing. Yes, we were getting Cesium. No, it was not a problem.

The fact that you don’t know what a radiac is signifies that you don’t know what it can detect or whether or not I could know about what’s inside my body. It just makes you sound silly.

Let’s stop and reflect on something quite significant:
You’re talking about radiation and contamination and don’t know what a radiac is.
Seriously.
Like, really, man? Please, please tell me you’re trolling me right now.
Please.
What you are doing, Itsnyder, is actually funny. It’s equivalent to walking into a doctor’s office and telling him you have something in your lungs, then asking him what a stethoscope is. You’ve proven you are not fit to have this argument. You don’t even know the basics.
That’s not even an attack on you. It’s a statement of the fcat that you are ignorant. Ignorance is not an insult – it is simply a lack of knowledge. Everyone is ignorant in some regard. Nuclear power is a common ignorance – it’s not a simple matter, so that’s understandable.
Your ignorance just so happens to be in the very field that you’re trying to argue.

But, anyway, let’s make you less ignorant.
A radiac is any radiation detector. This includes geiger-mueller, scintillation detectors, ion chambers, et cetera; most work off of the principles of the gas-amplification curve. They can, indeed, detect the radiation given off by that radioactive particulate. It does not detect the particulate itself, just the radiation it emits. Ones roughly the size of your thigh are considered to be highly sensitive and can detect singular, individual radioactive particles.
And the one I got my whole-body scan in was literally big enough to enclose me. It literally detected every bit of radiation emitted from my body. To the point they could tell me I probably needed to eat more potassium.
The “Hot particulate” is more formally, to those of us who know what we’re talking about, is called “contamination.”

Like I’m going to listen to a discussion regarding nuclear physics from a guy who doesn’t even understand radioactive decay, browning motion, or BASIC THERMODYNAMICS.
Don’t change the subject.
How about you first start addressing all of my arguments? How about you say, “Oh, you’re right, I was wrong. CO2 falls down out of a fire extinguisher because of basic thermodynamics that I didn’t even think to address.”

You seem to have a “I don’t care that I have no facts, just assumptions” attitude towards this subject. I should create a Dunning-Kruger hashtag on twitter. Just for you.

I find it absolutely hilarious that here I am, a guy who lived through all of this, a guy with years of experience, a guy who literally operates reactors for a living, so well educated that I’m now an Instructor on operating reactors, and here you are saying, “Nuh uh, I think it’s actually this way, even though I have no proof of it.”
You don’t even know basic thermodynamics. Let’s reflect on that, and on how you seem to ignore that.

You don’t know what detector was used, and you’re already presuming that it couldn’t do what I said it did, in spite of the fact that I previously stated that I’ve worked on scintillation detectors before, and obviously know how they work.
I doubt you’d even have the presence of mind to go so far as to smack someone for shining a light inside of a scintillation detector “because it was too dark to work on.”

The detector (sorry, I don’t know the exact classification) was a wide spectrum detector capable of detecting alphas, betas, and gammas, and neutrons. In truth, it was technically a multitude of detectors. That, along with the multitude of times I put a beta-gamma detector up to my neck, yeah, I know I didn’t get anything internal. After a while I was doing it FOR FUN.
Do not suppose upon things you have already shown you know nothing about.

As far as the calculations, yeah, sure, I don’t know how to do the calculations. Not at all. I didn’t like, go to a Nuclear Power School where we have an entire class on nothing but how to do EXACTLY THAT.
Oh, wait, I DID go to that school.
And I’ve qualified Radiation Working multiple times. Heck, just today I had to prove that I knew how to calculate shielding and exposure levels from X amount of Y source. Literally, today. Like, everything we are talking about. Quality factors, atomic mass, exposure, difference between Roentgen, REM, and Rad, et cetera. Tomorrow I plan on doing the check-out to prove I know the different types of radiacs. Which I had to do before.
Like when I qualified Radiation Worker. For the third freaking time (you have to do it at each new site.)
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…. And you don’t even know basic thermodynamics. And you’re trying to educate a nuclear operator who has had to deal with real fallout. I might as well be talking to a five year old.

You’re right, to a point. I actually got LESS than 4mrem, which is what the average Tokyo citizen received.
However, you’d be surprised how many ventilation systems are HEPA filtered, and how many everyday things are adequate for decontamination. Like tape, soap, water, brillo pads, et cetera.

And 700 grams is more than a pound. That’s a LOT of cesium.
As far as cancer – I am aware of the effects and the risks. Yes, I could have received that one gamma or that one beta that will wind up killing me. But, based on overall percentages, considering I received less than most people, odds are I didn’t. Heck, I could have received the lethal light particle in the last second. Odds are actually better that I get cancer from my time here in America than in Japan.

Point is, Itsnyder, I’ve been at this longer than you. I’ve argued about it longer than you. I’ve lived the very thing you’re trying to argue against. You haven’t. I have first hand experience, you don’t.
I understand nuclear physics.
And you blatantly do not even have a middle-school level education in science.

Okay, I’m adding this bit last, so forgive the disjointed-ness. You’re scaring me a bit and are destroying my faith in humanity. How exactly is it that you think cesium is detected? Seriously, like, how? You…. you do realize it’s a gamma-emitter, right? That gammas can be picked up on Geiger-Mueller detectors? That it doesn’t need to be a super-whammodyne detector? Just a regular old geiger-mueller? Please tell me you know this. Please. If you don’t, you really shouldn’t be arguing. Because if you don’t realize that a geiger-mueller detector is sufficient to detect gammas emitted by cesium-137- because gammas can escape from the human body where they can be picked up by a geiger-mueller detector, and that a human body, front-to-back, will only attenuate them between a factor of roughly 3 and 10 (depending on water-mass, fat, etc.) that all the box I’ve described as a “wide-spectrum” detector only needs to have a Geiger-Mueller, Scintillation, and a ion-chamber? Please tell me you realize this. Please. Please. Please tell me you can’t be that arrogant to think that someone who doesn’t realize this fact is capable of arguing with a trained nuclear operator.
I’ve come to the realization that you don’t know how radiation works, how to detect it, or how the detectors work. Do you even know what radiation is? Specifically as it pertains to this discussion, ionizing radiation? What forms it comes in?
Except I know the answer. You don’t know this. If you did, you wouldn’t have suggested that a Geiger-Mueller detector would be insufficient to detect gammas emitted by internal-activity to the human body. If you even knew that Cesium-137 was a gamma emitter.
Please, be a troll. For the love of all that is Holy, please, tell me now that you are a troll.
It seems as though your argument is a disjointed collection of Google-searches. You’ve looked up what the detectors are, without realizing that they’ll do exactly as I’ve described was done. You’ve looked up density, without realizing that decays from other fission products and the combination of brownian-motion, wind, and initial kinetic energy can result in Cesium popping up this place and that.
You don’t seem to even know anything about ionizing radiation itself. You’ve given no indication of knowing what cesium activity really is, or how it’s activity levels can show us just how much is present.

(I love how the detectors you listed are enough to do exactly what I’ve described).
Oh, do tell me what this “super fandango league of justice everything detector” can detect, it sounds interesting.
No, the Navy just has detectors that can detect betas, neutrons, gammas, and alphas – you know, harmful ionizing radiation – but I want that super-whammodyne crap you’re going on about, it sounds cool.
But, as it turns out, no, the Navy just has what it needs to detect ionizing radiation. Turns out it’s not that hard, since, you know, it ionizies things, and that generally creates a current in some fashion, meaning you can get a digital readout. Design your detector properly, and you can even gauge energy levels (scintillation detectors are especially good at this).
If you haven’t figured out why this means why the Navy could detect whether or not there was cesium in my body, it’s because Cesium emits gammas. They pierce the body rather well. In fact, they don’t even interact with the detectors we use all that well – but we know two things:
1. How much the detectors shield those gammas.
2. How to do the math to figure out how much is actually getting by, and using that to determine activity levels or general area radiation levels.

So, no, the Navy doesn’t have super fandango detectors. Just the ones you listed. Turns out those are enough.

As mentioned by others, just because cesium is dense doesn’t mean it can’t get there. It didn’t have to start out as cesium. Turns out the cesium comes from somewhere. Sometimes, that’s a decay from another element. Like Xenon, one of the most common fission products.
Yes, CO2 does flow down. This does not mean cesium will. Like I said, Brownian motion.

A common joking rhyme is “the solution to pollution is dilution.” Sure, you gather all of what escaped together, yes, that’s dangerous. You spread it out over all of Japan and the Pacific? You what you work out is that a single tuna steak will give you just as much a dose as a banana. Before you start spouting of “ERMAGHERD HE’S TALKING ABOUT BANANAS HE’S AN IDIOT,” you can still figure out how much damage a banana will indeed do to your body so long as you know the activity (10-15bq), the energy levels of the particulate emitted (you can find this on wikipedia) and the biological stay-time. Then do the same for what they found in fish.
Conveniently enough, the fish, per 100kg, HAD (no long does) the same amount of activity from fallout – 15bq – per 100kg. Over 200 pounds, as opposed to a little banana. However, then, you must factor in energy levels, and biological stay time. The big equalizer is that last bit – cesium does stay in the body longer.
So, ultimately, work out the calculations – A single tuna steak from an activated tuna would do the same damage to your body as a banana would. If you don’t like that comparison, it would do less to your body than a brazil nut.

The surveys were taken within the week, but after most of the plumes had a chance to settle (the answer you’re looking for is – “Within the biological-half-life of cesium-137”). Following this, we did internal-dose investigations for hundreds of people. Some of them lived on the ship, some of them lived on-base, and most lived out-in-town, exactly the sorts of areas you were worried about.
Turns out sailors are people too, and generally don’t want to be on the ship when they don’t have to be. You don’t want to live at work when you don’t have to, neither do we.

As far as my count, AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED it was “Less than minimum detectable activity.” If you were educated on the matter, you’d realize that there is no point in giving a value beyond this. There was so little activity within our bodies we were shielding natural, clean background radiation, as the human body normally does; our presence was lowering radiation levels within the detector, as the water in our bodies was acting as a natural shield – as it should. Were there cesium within our lungs, the gammas emitted – would have been detected.. The point was that there was so little activity within our bodies, natural cosmic rays and natural radon were interfering with the results too drastically to give a true, accurate count. The activity within our bodies was indistinguishable from that of a human who hadn’t been exposed to fallout, as the body normally has a certain level of potassium and other activated elements from foods, drinking water, and other normal sources. When it gets that low, the counts you’re given are a range – they can’t be exact.
Imagine having a clean floor, and stating that on any given day there are between 10 and 30 specks of dust per square foot on that floor. They’re hard to detect, but you can get an average, generally speaking. Now add 2-5 specks of dust per square foot. At any given time, you might be slightly above your average levels, but you’re going to be, on average, still so low that you can’t tell which specks are the new and which are the old.

Have you ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

“Then my colleagues and I realized something…- we could figure it all out…”

Well actually no, that’s where the devil in the details is …..

Using a Geiger counter and a scintillation detector is a horrible way to determine long term exposure effects. It is a military way to determine if you are about to suffer acute radiation sickness due to full body exposure.

No one should live in an airplane or a basement filled with radon there are plenty of radioactively toxic areas you should never be in.

If you see the background baseline suddenly double or triple like you did, you should be very concerned.

The problem is, is that it is “fallout”, that IS how it got on your flight deck, these are micro particles, in Tokyo they are being detected in air filters, and your lungs are getting a fair deposit of these hot particles. The existence of these particles ending up in such close proximity to your cells (i.e. hot particles in the lungs) creates a whole new calculation that must be done on long term outcome 5 – 50 years down the road. It no longer IS a external full body exposure calculation (that you and your buddies made).

if you search “Shocking Tokyo Japan Radiation Test by Chris Busby” you will get a much better view on determining long term danger.

As far as you being part of the safest nuclear organization, let’s not forget they started by pushing barrels of the waste overboard for disposal.

OMG, I just detected a schill, this article is over 2 years old, and with in an hour of posting an attack, the above post already has 7 likes. Don’t like yourself infront of others, it is kind of unseemly.

“people dropping dead in the streets from radiation” huh? Do you know absolutley anything about radiation exposure? When have you seen anyone drop dead in the street from smoking? It is still, very very real, you really need to go back to radiation 101.

Long term effects are best determined by figuring out what radiation you’re receiving. That’s rather easy if you know what energy levels each particle of radiation you’re receiving is. If only we had a way to do that. Oh, wait, we do. And I even had the pleasure of getting to stand inside of one of those giant detectors for 10-15 minutes to ascertain that no, I hadn’t received anywhere near enough to be concerned, no, my watch did not use an iridium face, I wasn’t a smoker, and had a bit of a potassium deficiency at the time.
So, I do know what I got additionally. What stayed in my body. Internal and external dose, long term and short term.
Also, do you know what a “biological half-life” is? That’s rather important to your argument.
It might interest you that no, caesium, the element truly of concern in this matter as it was the prevalent radioactive element we found – wasn’t about to affect me 5-50 years down the road with a buildup of radiation. In fact, 71 days after I last ingested the last atom of caesium, it was all out of my system. And the amount so little, it would have been more harmful for me to be stationed in Denver.

I wasn’t concerned what my background baseline doubled – considering that we, finally, in Japan, were getting world-average baseline radiation exposure.

And, no, considering the half-lives of the particulate involved, and the biological halflife, no, it’s not a concern. Five years later – as you mentioned – I had to do a physical to ascertain how much exposure I’d received and if I had anything left in my system, in total. Turns out – yeah, nothing above normal levels. Before you start saying, “They’re lying to you,” part of my training as a radiation worker is to know what I’m looking at and know whether or not the radiacs I’m dealing with are, in fact, properly calibrated.

“Barrels of waste overboard.” Cite what was in these barrels, Curie-count, and the year. Don’t spew random slander without quantitative facts. You’re dealing with a scientific matter, approach it with respect, not mindless slander. Or I could simply laugh at your “Sins of Our Fathers” argument you’re going for. I could then point you to our track record.

I could write a book as well. It would be full of real facts, first hand accounts, but nothing horridly shocking or damning, so it probably wouldn’t sell well. People generally don’t like truth if it’s full of scientific fact and merely says, “No, don’t worry.”

You forget something. I am a part of one of the finest trained and educated nuclear organizations on the face of this planet. We know a thing or two about this matter. We’ve been learning and modifying our practices to be more restrictive than you can possibly imagine. It’s kind of our job. Your organization knows… what? How much experience do you have with all of this?
When do you plan on actually answering my questions?

Got to love conspiracy theorists and anti-[anything]s. You ask them questions and never answer them. Then, when you fail to answer one question properly, they jump down your throat.

The second you prove you know more than they do and can head them off at every turn, they flail and start claiming, “You’re getting paid to say this!,” or “You’re part of the conspiracy / [thing they are against]-industry!” Never being specific about anything.

So, PacE, let’s get down to the nitty-gritty and get some scientific answers from you, for once:

I’ll repost a fraction of the things you’ve avoided to answer.

Do you even know how a nuclear reactor actually works? (FYI, you’re trusted source – Wikipedia – does.)
Talk to me about all of the shielding between someone living outside of a
nuclear power plant and inside the plant itself, since you obviously know SO
MUCH about it.
Talk to me about all of the precautions taken by nuclear
power plants, all of the considerations put into place, all of the
self-imposed limits. You’re obviously the expert.
Tell me about what
levels are actually harmful.
Tell me about what MY limits are for working on a nuclear power plant.
How many Americans have died from nuclear power, and what is the commonly rumored reason for it? (Have you been paying attention? I’ve even said this one already).
Most common emission from nuclear power plants?
Extra credit! Name two uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide in nuclear power plants.

We’re all waiting for you, PacE. I’ve refuted enough of your claims and answered your questions. Lets see you answer *any* of mine. And you’re lucky! All of my test questions in nuclear power are long-answer questions! I gave you easy short answer questions.

The point is all about numbers. The radiation you get from bananas is so small (similar to how small the amount of radiation you get from a reactor is) that the benefits are great and the body is able to compensate for the damage. Turns out the body can kill cancerous cells. Turns out a lot of cancerous cells kill themselves before they divide. Also turns out that becoming cancerous is only a tiny fraction of cell interaction with radiation does.

You know what’s more damaging to the body than living near a reactor? Being out in the sun. Eating Brazil nuts. Living in a valley, basement, cement, or brick house.
You can do the measurements really easily. Guys on the flight deck of my carrier get more radiation dose than I do down in the reactor areas. Turns out water and steel make good shields.

Most American civilian plants are run by a lot of Ex-Navy Nukes. It’s part of the reason why America has such a good safety record. There was at least one American civilian plant that refused to higher ex-Navy-Nukes because we don’t get a degree. After their safety record turned to crap, the DoE forced them to allow hiring ex-Nukes without degrees.

As far as bananas – yes, it won’t change your dose. No argument about that. However, you will still get a dose. That potassium you’re consuming still gives you a dose. Having them in your house still gives you a dose. A truckload of them will still set off sensors designed to detect nuclear bombs at a border crossing.

I don’t see why you wouldn’t believe my job claim, my Facebook is open to all to see, a quick scan of my photos is all you need, but whatever, I guess you hate researching anything, so, whatever.

Sorry, I don’t, and as far as NRC vice DoE, that was a slip of memory again. I don’t get a whole lot of interaction with either as we deal with NR. It may have also been rather early on.

Pretty sure I was 0905 for both Power school and Prototype. It always seems like all the guys older than me always remember and I’m just here like, “Ummm. 0905?” I know A-school was 0908MT.

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Everything I’ve ever known is a lie!!
I’m sure I’ll be able to wrap my head around it.
Though, actually, my future plans are to work for SpaceX after I get out (I’ll probably be going and teaching Prototype at Charleston next.) My end goal is to try to get in on any Spaceborne Nuclear Reactor projects that are going on.

… So? What, you think we regulate how we spell words that are not in common usage? With our reactors we don’t deal with cesium a lot. I’ve spelled it both ways on multiple sites.